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rjbesikof wrote:New for 2023:
-IAD-BER/HND/2nd daily CDG
-EWR-DXB/AGP/HND/ARN (pre-COVID resumption)
-ORD-BCN/SNN
-SFO-FCO
-LAX-HND/2nd daily LHR
What I would like to see:
1) More TATL out of SFO (I know pre-COVID UA was going to launch SFO-DUB)
2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
AVENSAB727 wrote:rjbesikof wrote:New for 2023:
-IAD-BER/HND/2nd daily CDG
-EWR-DXB/AGP/HND/ARN (pre-COVID resumption)
-ORD-BCN/SNN
-SFO-FCO
-LAX-HND/2nd daily LHR
What I would like to see:
1) More TATL out of SFO (I know pre-COVID UA was going to launch SFO-DUB)
2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
My predictions are:
IAH-ZRH/MAD or LIS
DEN-more TATL.
IFLYUA767 wrote:AVENSAB727 wrote:rjbesikof wrote:New for 2023:
-IAD-BER/HND/2nd daily CDG
-EWR-DXB/AGP/HND/ARN (pre-COVID resumption)
-ORD-BCN/SNN
-SFO-FCO
-LAX-HND/2nd daily LHR
What I would like to see:
1) More TATL out of SFO (I know pre-COVID UA was going to launch SFO-DUB)
2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
My predictions are:
IAH-ZRH/MAD or LIS
DEN-more TATL.
I would like to see more TATL from DEN but I think only AMS, CDG and FCO would have a shot. UA seems like they mainly want to use DEN for domestic traffic.
rjbesikof wrote:New for 2023:
-IAD-BER/HND/2nd daily CDG
-EWR-DXB/AGP/HND/ARN (pre-COVID resumption)
-ORD-BCN/SNN
-SFO-FCO
-LAX-HND/2nd daily LHR
What I would like to see:
1) More TATL out of SFO (I know pre-COVID UA was going to launch SFO-DUB)
2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
intotheair wrote:I agree; let's stop relitigating a DEN vs. IAH debate and pitting the two cities against one another. It looks like we're already starting to do so in the new thread.
LAXdude1023 wrote:UA will never darken the door of ADD. The need for connection westbound prevents that.
rjbesikof wrote:2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
LAXdude1023 wrote:I don't really see it that way.
What tends to happen is that some posters like to make predictions on future routes airlines may fly. The main issue is that these predictions are, more seldom than not, wish lists and not based on demand, resources, market, or route network strategies. Then other posters explain why specific routes aren't feasible. I don't think that is anti-hub, but just a response as to why.
As far as DEN and IAH are concerned, I think its fine to discuss the differences in those markets and the strengths and weaknesses they do have. Where European expansion is concerned, I standby the notion that I wouldn't look for UA to expand them. Of connectivity, demand, and location, DEN has the connectivity and the location but not the demand. IAH has the connectivity and demand but not the location. ORD, IAD, and EWR have all three and UA will focus on that instead for European expansion. DEN and IAH have lots of capacity to FRA and MUC and therefore lots of options to bypass the East Coast hubs. Both have LHR and IAH has AMS due to the large and high fare market. That may be what we have to settle for.
USAirALB wrote:rjbesikof wrote:2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
I've often wondered if UA would ever start IAD-ADD with their own metal...it's a huge market and could probably support additional frequencies ex UA.
I'm not sure if the 787 with the PIP could make ADD-IAD nonstop, however.
USAirALB wrote:rjbesikof wrote:2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
I've often wondered if UA would ever start IAD-ADD with their own metal...it's a huge market and could probably support additional frequencies ex UA.
LAXdude1023 wrote:Question for you guys.
I'm curious to know what your preferences are regarding connections via other US hubs vs. connecting in Europe/Asia? If, for example, you having an itinerary IAD/ORD/IAH/DEN/SFO-VCE do you choose the connection in EWR or via FRA/MUC? Same with something like EWR/ORD/IAD/IAH/DEN-TPE? Do you choose the SFO connection or TYO connection? This is of course assuming cost is the same.
Me personally, I will always choose the connection in Europe in both directions mostly because I really don't like EWR. It's just too congested and the ATC delays can happen. If I have to, I'm ok with connecting in IAD but I still prefer FRA/MUC. The longer flights from IAH allow for more time to sleep as well. For Asia, I prefer SFO going and TYO coming back because the SFO connections usually allow an arrival around dinner and coming home I prefer to go through customs at my home airport. I usually don't sleep going to Asia and coming home, the longer flight from TYO allows for more sleep.
rjbesikof wrote:New for 2023:
-IAD-BER/HND/2nd daily CDG
-EWR-DXB/AGP/HND/ARN (pre-COVID resumption)
-ORD-BCN/SNN
-SFO-FCO
-LAX-HND/2nd daily LHR
What I would like to see:
1) More TATL out of SFO (I know pre-COVID UA was going to launch SFO-DUB)
2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
dcajet wrote:USAirALB wrote:rjbesikof wrote:2) More Africa (DSS, ADD)
I've often wondered if UA would ever start IAD-ADD with their own metal...it's a huge market and could probably support additional frequencies ex UA.
Too low yielding?
LAXdude1023 wrote:dcajet wrote:USAirALB wrote:I've often wondered if UA would ever start IAD-ADD with their own metal...it's a huge market and could probably support additional frequencies ex UA.
Too low yielding?
UA couldnt fly ADD-IAD if they wanted to. Its too high and far to do it nonstop and they arent going to fly their own metal on a one stop through Europe.
ContinentalEWR wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:dcajet wrote:
Too low yielding?
UA couldnt fly ADD-IAD if they wanted to. Its too high and far to do it nonstop and they arent going to fly their own metal on a one stop through Europe.
UA could absolutely fly IAD-ADD if they wanted to, and have the planes to do it, from the 787s to the 777s. ET flies it, and are in Star Alliance, though not sure how far and wide UA and ET cooperate. UA not flying it is probably due to there not being enough demand and yield opportunity to justify it. It's not an equipment issue.
ContinentalEWR wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:dcajet wrote:
Too low yielding?
UA couldnt fly ADD-IAD if they wanted to. Its too high and far to do it nonstop and they arent going to fly their own metal on a one stop through Europe.
UA could absolutely fly IAD-ADD if they wanted to, and have the planes to do it, from the 787s to the 777s. ET flies it, and are in Star Alliance, though not sure how far and wide UA and ET cooperate. UA not flying it is probably due to there not being enough demand and yield opportunity to justify it. It's not an equipment issue.
LAXdude1023 wrote:ContinentalEWR wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:
UA couldnt fly ADD-IAD if they wanted to. Its too high and far to do it nonstop and they arent going to fly their own metal on a one stop through Europe.
UA could absolutely fly IAD-ADD if they wanted to, and have the planes to do it, from the 787s to the 777s. ET flies it, and are in Star Alliance, though not sure how far and wide UA and ET cooperate. UA not flying it is probably due to there not being enough demand and yield opportunity to justify it. It's not an equipment issue.
It is the altitude of ADD combined with the distance that is the issue. Its 7,700 feet high.
What I am saying is that all ET flights make a connection in Europe Westbound. ET has 787s and 777s too. That is what UA would be facing if they launched ADD. The flights would have to stop in Europe before they could make it to the US. I suppose they could block off a large number of seats and be able to do it but they would never do it on an ethnic route.
UA does what it needs to remain relevant with ET. IAD-ADD is a very popular route for US government workers and contractors to use. Of course those workers have to remain Fly America compliant so UA throws its codeshare on it. That's all UA wants from it. That allows them to sell tickets on that flight that meet the requirements for government workers. A lot of the same workers fly on IAD-DOH with the AA codeshare.
Cmac787 wrote:United is cutting way back at IAD this month. There is basically only 3 banks. On Tuesday Jan 9th, there are only 4 mainline departures on the1000pm bank
VC10er wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:ContinentalEWR wrote:
UA could absolutely fly IAD-ADD if they wanted to, and have the planes to do it, from the 787s to the 777s. ET flies it, and are in Star Alliance, though not sure how far and wide UA and ET cooperate. UA not flying it is probably due to there not being enough demand and yield opportunity to justify it. It's not an equipment issue.
It is the altitude of ADD combined with the distance that is the issue. Its 7,700 feet high.
What I am saying is that all ET flights make a connection in Europe Westbound. ET has 787s and 777s too. That is what UA would be facing if they launched ADD. The flights would have to stop in Europe before they could make it to the US. I suppose they could block off a large number of seats and be able to do it but they would never do it on an ethnic route.
UA does what it needs to remain relevant with ET. IAD-ADD is a very popular route for US government workers and contractors to use. Of course those workers have to remain Fly America compliant so UA throws its codeshare on it. That's all UA wants from it. That allows them to sell tickets on that flight that meet the requirements for government workers. A lot of the same workers fly on IAD-DOH with the AA codeshare.
Would gov workers be required to fly Economy even for flights this long?
I would assume if UA could sell Polaris they could be more interested in adding this route? No??
avi8 wrote:EWR and IAH are pretty close to each other. 380-ish flights a day for IAH is very low. I’m shocked.
SumChristianus wrote:Cmac787 wrote:United is cutting way back at IAD this month. There is basically only 3 banks. On Tuesday Jan 9th, there are only 4 mainline departures on the1000pm bank
And those four mainline flights are LAX, LHR, CDG, and BOS, right? The crazy thing to me is that there's no DEN, ORD, SFO, IAH, let alone other major cities.
LAXdude1023 wrote:ContinentalEWR wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:
UA couldnt fly ADD-IAD if they wanted to. Its too high and far to do it nonstop and they arent going to fly their own metal on a one stop through Europe.
UA could absolutely fly IAD-ADD if they wanted to, and have the planes to do it, from the 787s to the 777s. ET flies it, and are in Star Alliance, though not sure how far and wide UA and ET cooperate. UA not flying it is probably due to there not being enough demand and yield opportunity to justify it. It's not an equipment issue.
It is the altitude of ADD combined with the distance that is the issue. Its 7,700 feet high.
What I am saying is that all ET flights make a connection in Europe Westbound. ET has 787s and 777s too. That is what UA would be facing if they launched ADD. The flights would have to stop in Europe before they could make it to the US. I suppose they could block off a large number of seats and be able to do it but they would never do it on an ethnic route.
UA does what it needs to remain relevant with ET. IAD-ADD is a very popular route for US government workers and contractors to use. Of course those workers have to remain Fly America compliant so UA throws its codeshare on it. That's all UA wants from it. That allows them to sell tickets on that flight that meet the requirements for government workers. A lot of the same workers fly on IAD-DOH with the AA codeshare.
VC10er wrote:Would gov workers be required to fly Economy even for flights this long?
I would assume if UA could sell Polaris they could be more interested in adding this route? No??
Cmac787 wrote:United is cutting way back at IAD this month. There is basically only 3 banks. On Tuesday Jan 9th, there are only 4 mainline departures on the1000pm bank
LAXdude1023 wrote:Question for you guys.
I'm curious to know what your preferences are regarding connections via other US hubs vs. connecting in Europe/Asia? If, for example, you having an itinerary IAD/ORD/IAH/DEN/SFO-VCE do you choose the connection in EWR or via FRA/MUC? Same with something like EWR/ORD/IAD/IAH/DEN-TPE? Do you choose the SFO connection or TYO connection? This is of course assuming cost is the same.
Me personally, I will always choose the connection in Europe in both directions mostly because I really don't like EWR. It's just too congested and the ATC delays can happen. If I have to, I'm ok with connecting in IAD but I still prefer FRA/MUC. The longer flights from IAH allow for more time to sleep as well. For Asia, I prefer SFO going and TYO coming back because the SFO connections usually allow an arrival around dinner and coming home I prefer to go through customs at my home airport. I usually don't sleep going to Asia and coming home, the longer flight from TYO allows for more sleep.
intotheair wrote:More Scandinavia might not be a bad bet given SAS' rough shape too. We'll probably continue to see a mix of more LHR/FRA/MUC and a scattering of dartboard routes to premium leisure-skewing cities that may or may not return the following year.
LAXintl wrote:Here is what is planned for February.
Airport / Departures / Seats
DEN / 11,560 / 1,516,059
EWR / 11,019 / 1,532,940
IAD / 5,292 / 665,374
IAH / 11,151 / 1,443,250
LAX / 2,639 / 484,305
ORD / 12,283 / 1,459,792
SFO / 5,647 / 931,889
A slower month across the board.
Lamp1009 wrote:intotheair wrote:More Scandinavia might not be a bad bet given SAS' rough shape too. We'll probably continue to see a mix of more LHR/FRA/MUC and a scattering of dartboard routes to premium leisure-skewing cities that may or may not return the following year.
I'm really hoping for more Scandinavia. Helsinki would be an insane win I would say but it seems unlikely as of now. Copenhagen would be a huge win from EWR, same with Stockholm and Oslo. Would also like to see more seasonal flights to KEF.
In terms of other expansion, I'm hoping for a few new flights to Alaska and both Japan/Micronesia, but that's not happening.
VC10er wrote:Do we believe that it matters to people if an airline has by far the most nonstop destinations?
adamblang wrote:VC10er wrote:Do we believe that it matters to people if an airline has by far the most nonstop destinations?
It matters to frequent travelers who want to earn and benefit from status. It doesn’t matter to infrequent travelers.