Reported by Reuters:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ex ... 9a46&ei=37
Will UA and Delta jump on this... or not?
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US, China agree to Double the number of Weekly Flights
Last edited by alfa164 on Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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So assuming everyone is going to go from 4 to 8?
Will be interesting to see if everyone stays PVG focused or if we start to see some Beijing flights return.
Will be interesting to see if everyone stays PVG focused or if we start to see some Beijing flights return.
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PW1133G wrote:So assuming everyone is going to go from 4 to 8?
Will be interesting to see if everyone stays PVG focused or if we start to see some Beijing flights return.
It went from 4 to 8 earlier this year; it is now at 12. It will go to 18 on September 1st, then 24 on October 29th.
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alfa164 wrote:PW1133G wrote:So assuming everyone is going to go from 4 to 8?
Will be interesting to see if everyone stays PVG focused or if we start to see some Beijing flights return.
It went from 4 to 8 earlier this year; it is now at 12. It will go to 18 on September 1st, then 24 on October 29th.
Sorry I mean 4 to 8 for the US3 each.
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Given that China has 6 international carriers that flew to the US pre-pandemic, how do they divide up so few routes among them?
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Still a far cry from 2019 numbers, but this is good news. Since the US3 is already at 12 I assume this isn’t including Chinese carriers? I’m guessing UA’s SFO-PVG will go daily (4 to 7) as well as DFW-PVG daily as well (4 to 7 also). Assume DL will double both the SEA and DTW flights as well? I guess that leaves 2 slots somewhere for probably UA to pick up.
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NotDengXiaoping wrote:Still a far cry from 2019 numbers, but this is good news. Since the US3 is already at 12 I assume this isn’t including Chinese carriers? I’m guessing UA’s SFO-PVG will go daily (4 to 7) as well as DFW-PVG daily as well (4 to 7 also). Assume DL will double both the SEA and DTW flights as well? I guess that leaves 2 slots somewhere for probably UA to pick up.
United increases SFO-PVG from 4 weekly to daily from 1 October and restarts SFO-PEK daily begining 1 November.
https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1690 ... 4TaOW0vFRQ
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FlyingSicilian wrote:NotDengXiaoping wrote:Still a far cry from 2019 numbers, but this is good news. Since the US3 is already at 12 I assume this isn’t including Chinese carriers? I’m guessing UA’s SFO-PVG will go daily (4 to 7) as well as DFW-PVG daily as well (4 to 7 also). Assume DL will double both the SEA and DTW flights as well? I guess that leaves 2 slots somewhere for probably UA to pick up.
United increases SFO-PVG from 4 weekly to daily from 1 October and restarts SFO-PEK daily begining 1 November.
https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1690 ... 4TaOW0vFRQ
How does UA take the lion's share of the new slots? If UA have 14, that leaves just 10 for AA and DL. Doesn't seem right. Not sure how these are allocated. Anybody have a better understanding of this?
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Would love to see Air China restart IAH with the 5th freedom PTY tag-on. Twice weekly even would be great.
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UA announced flying daily on SFO PEK & SFO PVG. Others seem to be quiet. Would love to see HU return to SEA.
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Remember people are flying via HKG which is a separate aviation agreement from the US to connect to the mainland. UA has been flying SFO-HKG 12x weekly.
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alfa164 wrote:Will UA and Delta jump on this... or not?
Looks like UA has announced plans to go from 4 to 14 per week. That allows DL and AA to add one weekly flight each, with no ability to go daily on any route?
Does anyone know how these new slots are allocated?
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AA may not see it as an option to fly DFW-PVG without the ability to overfly Russian Airspace. DL could make it work out of SEA, but maybe they weren’t as successful in China as would be assumed.
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UA’s press release did say the flights were still subject to government approval, maybe they won’t be approved and the frequencies will be distributed more evenly? Not sure why they’d jump the gun if they weren’t pretty certain they’d get them though.
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NZ321 wrote:FlyingSicilian wrote:NotDengXiaoping wrote:Still a far cry from 2019 numbers, but this is good news. Since the US3 is already at 12 I assume this isn’t including Chinese carriers? I’m guessing UA’s SFO-PVG will go daily (4 to 7) as well as DFW-PVG daily as well (4 to 7 also). Assume DL will double both the SEA and DTW flights as well? I guess that leaves 2 slots somewhere for probably UA to pick up.
United increases SFO-PVG from 4 weekly to daily from 1 October and restarts SFO-PEK daily begining 1 November.
https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1690 ... 4TaOW0vFRQ
How does UA take the lion's share of the new slots? If UA have 14, that leaves just 10 for AA and DL. Doesn't seem right. Not sure how these are allocated. Anybody have a better understanding of this?
UA had by far the largest share before covid. From their viewpoint an equal distribution among the top 3 US carriers these last two years was unfair.
Hopefully someone has some insight to share on how these flights are parsed out. Would be very interesting to know!
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UALifer wrote:UA’s press release did say the flights were still subject to government approval, maybe they won’t be approved and the frequencies will be distributed more evenly? Not sure why they’d jump the gun if they weren’t pretty certain they’d get them though.
All the new international route announcements have that caveat. They are loading the flights into GDS so they seem confident they will be flying these frequencies.
Anyway, another step forward and very good news! We just need DL to get back in the game.....
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What was the point of pursuing this? The US carriers should concentrate their capacity on more friendly markets such as Latin America, Europe, Japan / Korea, Southeast Asia, India, Australia etc...
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SInGAPORE_AIR wrote:What was the point of pursuing this?
Uh, money? With artificially constrained capacity, fares are propped up and demand is healthy.
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SInGAPORE_AIR wrote:What was the point of pursuing this? The US carriers should concentrate their capacity on more friendly markets such as Latin America, Europe, Japan / Korea, Southeast Asia, India, Australia etc...
1. Chinese Immigrants are the third largest immigrant group in the US, so there is still tons of VFR demand.
2. There is still a a lot of business demand between the 1st and 2nd largest economies in the world.
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